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POLL: Was Bishop Blake right to repudiate Supt Earl Carter?

The negative fallout from the COGICs 107th Convocation has been massive to say the least. The message preached by Supt Earl Carter of Florida has been rebuked publicly now by Bishop Blake. Which do you support? Was Earl Carter right to call out this sin and strongly rebuke COGIC leadership for enabling it or was Bishop Blake right to rebuke Earl Carter and apologize to the homosexual community? Watch the two videos and then vote.

  1. November 17, 2014 at 5:45 pm

    I am FOR preaching against sin (particularly, if it is taking over a local congregation) but I am AGAINST using dogmatic verbiage as a means of delivering the gospel. My motto is, if Jesus wouldn’t say it, why should I. Preach the life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. That is what we are called to do. It is the Holy Ghost that pricks the heart and mind of man and causes a change. I remember growing up and asking the Lord to give me the mind to want to be saved (when I had no desire). Correct me if I am wrong, but when Jesus met the adulterous woman, He knew exactly who she was, what she was involved in and what the people called her, but he did not refer to her in that manner, Law said that she should be stoned. He did not call her a WHORE but rather said, “Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.” (John 8:11)

    Firstly, we should be sensitive to the spirit and IN the spirit…and there is NO sensitivity in stating that you desire for God to make it so that homosexuals “bleed out their butts”. Secondly, homosexuality is not a just a male sexual immoral act, but rather, that of both gender; was lesbianism addressed or rather, just the acts of the “sissy”? Thirdly, we need to be very careful when we seek condemnation/punishment on someone else for their sin. Remember, none of us are without sin…should God mute the lying tongue? Should God deafen the ear that is quick to listen to foolishness? Should God sterilize the male/female that continuously has children out of the confines of marriage? How about in the instance of just fornication?

    He that wins souls is wise… we just need to use more wisdom!

    • November 17, 2014 at 5:49 pm

      Willie, according to COGICs official stats, many souls were won that night. Didnt Andrew Caldwell come and say he was delivered? And there were many at the altar repenting AFTER that message.

    • November 27, 2014 at 2:12 am

      I was actually there that night. Not only were souls saved (including Andrew) but many were filled with the Holy Ghost. There is a time and season for all things. 2 Timothy 4:2 says “Peach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, REBUKE, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.” Some of the words may have been harsh… However, it was directed to many of the homosexuals in our churches that REFUSE to be delivered. Consequently, Andrew and others in sin that “wanted” to be delivered found it in the Word preached that night.

  2. November 18, 2014 at 1:10 am

    One day people will understand what happened to me after the Peter Gomes exposure, God will continue to show the truth and expose the devil. What happened to preaching the truth, now people want cotton candy messages that are politically correct but spiritually weak and we condemn a brother for saying what God has said. I guess Jesus was too hard on the money changers and the brood of vipers by our standard today.

  3. November 18, 2014 at 2:39 am

    We have become silent in the things of God. If we are to love someone to life we must have the life within ourselves. There was a time when the devil was afraid of coming into God’s house. The book of Revelation spoke of the end time church. The seven Types of Churches that will be representing in the last day. God spoke and tole John to write to the angel of the house…. We don’t even know when the devil is even sitting next to us in church. There is a great falling away from the ordinances of God. Having the form of Godliness but denying the power thereof. God help us. It has gotten to the point we don’t have to give up anything to be in the number. But, God is calling for a church without spot or wrinkle. The season is far spent and they still aren’t save.

    • November 18, 2014 at 2:47 am

      Amen Darlene, we have been in a deep stupor and it took a raw John the Baptist denunciation to wake us up to what has become a den of sexual thieves in the house of prayer.

  4. November 18, 2014 at 2:40 am

    He preached the truth and that is why souls were save, restored and delivered!

  5. November 18, 2014 at 5:54 am

    I think it is a shame that the presiding bishop did not stand with the truth. After all, he should have brought a message so truthful and strong… You cannot dummy down truth, when you do it ceases to be the truth. May God strengthen and the encourage Pastor Carter for his obedience to the voice of the Lord and the commitment to His word!

  6. November 18, 2014 at 5:58 am

    The church is not to concern itself with political correctness! The word of God is offensive to those who are bound by sin. Someone needs to remind bishop that he is not running for office. He is to fulfill the office by preaching the unadulterated gospel!

  7. November 18, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    Someone needs to tell the presiding Bishop to read 1 Corinthians 5 all the way through, where it tells you not to fellowship with such people! This sin is not only in the COGIC but in many other denominations who call themselves CHRISTIAN. Let them that name the name of the Lord depart from evil! Bishop Blake should never apologies when the truth is spoken!

  8. November 18, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    Where is the video apologizing to all of the victims of sexual abuse, at the hands of C.O.G.I.C. ministers and leaders? I don’t get this. A man (Supt Earl Carter of Florida) who uses words that are deemed to be ‘offensive’ rates a public reuke, and an official apology to the LBGT community, but rape, and abuse do not? How can you equate love with never speaking harsh, or offensive to someonone? (Any husband/wives or parents want to co-sign that nonsense?)

    Jesus who is the emodiment of love said very harsh things sometimes to try and wake people up to the truth of their conditon. Sometimes it takes the sharpness of the rebuke to get people to pay attention to what is being said. Jesus called people hypocrites, fools, blind people, blind guides, whitewashed tombs, lawless, of their father the devil, and liars. Paul called people liars, hyprocrites, and clouds without water when the occasion suited the need for harsh and direct language. Mark this event. This is the turning of C.O.G.I.C. from the clear truth of the Word. Apparently is more important to be polite, than it is to be a abuser of men women and children.

    Listen to what Bishop Blake is saying and tell me how it is any different than what the other mainline churches who have embraced homosexuality have said? C.O.G.I.C you all need to call on God for real! Its praying TIME!

    I don’t believe for one minute that had Supt Carter used a different word, that the video of his sermon would have been made available by this organization. Unfortunately for the truth, it will now be sarcificed on the altar of political correctness and tolerance.

    • November 18, 2014 at 8:08 pm

      Mr Manigault, this commentary is a stunning indictment on the presiding bishop agenda and motives. Why were there never any video apologies for the countless members of the church who have been physically brutalized by its bishops, superintendents, pastors and elders?

  9. November 18, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Bishop Blake had to rebuke Earl Carter inorder to stay politically correct. How can it be P C if it’s morrally wrong. Look at the Church Bishops. Gun carrying Ron Gibson(Preachers of LA, Bishop Sheard’s daughter running with homosexuals on their reality show. Our leadership has been compromissed and needs to repent and stop trying to be friends with the world. 1 Timothy 3:1 is the Biblical standard for Bishops.

    1 John 2:15-17 15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

    Get right Church and let’s go home…

  10. Dee Reed
    November 19, 2014 at 4:28 am

    Bishop Blake and his “political correctness” gave the lost license to sin when he rebuked Superintendent Carter for preaching the truth. Supt. Carter was on point in everything he said. His message was his witness. Woe to Bishop Blake for appeasing sin. One day Almighty God, the Creator of heaven and earth will require an accounting from His under shepherds.May God have mercy. Supt. Carter, thank you for your courage and integrity..

  11. November 20, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    Wow. Our Church is faced with deeply distressed and troubled times. The fact that we are even having this conversation shows us what time it is. The fact that openly gay, “flaming” homosexuals were bold enough to parade around the Holy Convocation surely must show us the times in which we live. The fact that the preacher has to call them out in such and aggressive and arguably oppressive manner reminds us that these are perilous times. The fat that the preacher had to call out other preachers for the perceived endorsement of the lifestyle speaks volumes. The fact that our Church was placed in a position of mockery and comedic insult shows us the season in which we live.

    There are a LOT of homosexuals in the church. They were at the convention and this ain’t new news. It’s the same if not worse at the Gospel Music Conventions I’ve attended as part of my career. And so the Man of God called them out. This poll is good, however, I think the original sermon and entire rant against gays should be viewed. This snippet is mild compared to the entire context. Supt. Carter started out strong but then went left. He used inappropriate language in calling out the homosexual lifestyle – period. It’s not what he said, it’s how he said it. (“I hope you bleed out yo’ butt!” – c’mon people!!) and so our Spiritual Father, our Chief Apostle had to check him. It’s almost like when moms or dad heard you use a cuss word.

    WIthout the benefit of social media, I wonder what was the reaction to Evangelist Frances Kelly’s message at the 62nd Holy Convocation Women’s Day as she talked about Musical Homosexuals and Sissies (http://youtu.be/6qqEClV_K4s) Surely the consciousness of the nation is much different from those days. Two generations later and the issues are still the same. We haven’t put a dent in the proliferation of the homosexual lifestyle, and why not?

    There’s a LOT of homosexuality in the world today. They are gaining power and influence. In the same week that the “I’m not gay no’ mo'” video was going viral, esteemed Television Producer Shonda Rimes was taking social media heat for blatant, explicit and unapologetic gay sex scenes in the wildly popular TV series “Scandal” starring Kerry Washington and “How to Get Away With Murder” starring Viola Davis. Our consciousness is being bombarded by the gay lifestyle and we are increasingly unable to do anything about it. You better start reading those letters and memos you get from your children’s public schools, because they are sharing with you that some of the literature will be geared to children who have two mommies or two daddies…. This, my friends is reality in our society. Clearly the condemns it as sin. It is not, however, unforgivable sin. The same redemption available to all sinners is available to homosexuals. They, too, may become new creations in Christ.

    I know we have to speak about this from the pulpit. But how? When we ridicule them, we chase them away. If we speak to them in love, y’all interpreting this as being supportive of their lifestyle. Our job and main concern is souls. We are tasked with bringing people to Christ. And if that is our job, does that mean we just throw away the souls of the homosexual? what about the sexually immoral? the sex addict? the prostitute? the adulterer? Do we avoid preaching the Gospel to them? and how do you know who they are? Dudes are married and having sex with men on the side. And some of these guys are preachers!!! We live in deeply distressed and troubling times.

    Yes, There are so many homosexuals among us that we are now challenged with how to minister to them. We are not to judge because God will judge us all no doubt. But if we are called to minister and facilitate deliverance, then how exactly do we deal with the homosexual? How do we deal with the rapist, the sexual immoral, the adulterer, the pedophile? All of these are in our church!!! and indeed even in some of our pulpits!!!

    In my opinion, as I contemplate this moment, Supt. Carter’s condemnation from the pulpit has an adverse affect opposite what we intend it to be. And you know what? if we are charged to love one another, then we must love the homosexual… however, we HATE his sin. I actually agree with the content of his speech, but I disagree with his choice of words in PORTIONS of his message. I mean, the Bible clearly condemns homosexuality as sin. However, it isn’t unforgivable. Isn’t redemption available to them just as it is available to us?Can’t the homosexual become a new creature in Christ? If we have faith, if we believe in miracles and the healing power of the Holy Ghost, isn’t it believable that maybe just maybe bowtie boy really got delivered?

    As for Bishop Blake’s apology? We must be merciful and so apologizing for bowtie boy’s ordeal in terms of the international ridicule this caused.. is painfully proper in my opinion. Listen carefully, Bishop said we do not by any means compromise our position in matters of sexual immorality.. that said, we have to walk in love even when dealing with these people. And so if the young man got delivered, then I think we should painfully apologize and set the stage for support, counseling and all the other needs this guy and others like him may need as they renew their mind and walk in this new consciousness. I know there are some who are like, naw! he just need to burn!!! but then if you look back on your sins, there are those who would say the same about you… But God…..

    There are those who are begging the question about apologies for past sexual situations that have harmed families and people.. I agree, something should be said or done by the church to address this – i don’t know what that is, but something has to be done or said that will help bring a sense of healing to those hurt by the men who would defile the pulpit to take advantage of people sexually.

    One thing I found quite profound in this whole “I’m not gay no’ mo'” phenom is to watch the response videos that some in the gay community put out.. the YouTube trend was for these gay people to watch the service and react on camera and post it on youtube. A recurring theme I heard on this is a point of concern. There were homosexuals who are from Memphis or who had been to and observed Convocations whether in Memphis or St. Louis. these dudes stated that they find it to be fertile ground for seeking and finding people with whom to engage in homosexual acts. Why is that? What this says to me is that while folk are so busy being so saintly and sanctified in the main – criticizing, quoting scriptures and pointing fingers, some of these same folk are living a lifestyle of sexual immorality and perversion. so many saints engaging in this lifestyle secretly? These homosexuals also pointed out that they would engage in homosexual sex with someone they picked up at the host hotel and then attend the convocation service the next day and see their sex mate in the pulpit participating in the holy service…. In the end, while we so busy judging and pointing out who’s right and who’s wrong, condemning, sending to hell all those who we see engaging in this lifestyle, why don’t we check ourselves and make sure we are living as God would have us to live… Let us work on keeping our own sin in check. The “I’m not gay no’ mo'” urban pop culture phenomenon is a reminder that something is wrong in our society. and as People of God, we must figure it out…. Of course we already knew something was deeply wrong with our society or this website would not be in existence.

    God Bless and Protect Us All….

    Minister Gregory L. Johnson
    West Angeles Church of God in Christ

    • warrenma
      January 9, 2015 at 9:21 pm

      A couple of points on your post. You asked, “Without the benefit of social media, I wonder what was the reaction to Evangelist Frances Kelly’s message at the 62nd Holy Convocation Women’s Day as she talked about Musical Homosexuals and Sissies (http://youtu.be/6qqEClV_K4s) Surely the consciousness of the nation is much different from those days. Two generations later and the issues are still the same. We haven’t put a dent in the proliferation of the homosexual lifestyle, and why not?

      Please refresh my memory, when Evangelist Frances Kelly’s message was given, was there an apology issued by the then Presiding Bishop to anyone, for anything? I don’t recall that there was. The issue isn’t social media. It is the lack of proper leadership on this very important issue.

      We haven’t put a dent in the encroaching proliferation of homosexuality in our churches for the very reasons that Supt Carted cited. We preach against all manner of sin in the holiness Church. The Church would/should not allow people who are repeatedly, (lifestyle) openly and publically (not incognito) drunk, high, thieves, murderers, etc. to direct the choir, lead Praise and Worship, preach, teach or be ministers of anything. But it does ‘allow’ people who are ‘openly’ gay to do so. This is a huge part of ‘the problem’. When we allow people to sin openly in our midst, this need to be called out and corrected. (See Paul’s letter to the Corinthians for Biblical basis for this) That is what Supt Carter did.

      Secondly, one of the unique things about homosexuality in our time is that at this point many people (especially those who practice it) are no longer convinced that it is morally wrong (a ‘sin’) but just a different ‘lifestyle’. The Church is slowly but surely accepting this argument.That is in my opinion one of the root causes why ‘we haven’t put a dent in the proliferation…”

      Somehow the idea that love should never confront, or deal strongly (harshly) with sinners, is not supported by the Scripture. Jesus had some of his harshest words for people who continued in their sin despite his many attempts of trying to reason with them and get them to accept the truth of His word. He didn’t speak harshly because He didn’t love them, it was because of his love for them that he spoke harshly (poisonous snakes, hypocrites, evil, liars, whoremongers, etc) to wake them up from their stupor and blind ways.

      Finally if Bishop Blake found that he needed to correct Supt Carter, he had other more direct means at his disposal. Why did his correction need to include an ‘apology’ to the LBGT community and the brother who testified ‘he wasn’t gay no more’. When Bishop Blake allows staunch advocates of the LBGT way of life to address the Saints (Magic Johnson, Al Sharpton, Peter Gomes. etc.) it makes it very difficult to read his apology as an act of love, and not an act of appeasement? COGIC leaders at the highest level lack any real credibility on this issue at this point. That’s why what Supt Carter had to say has had such a huge impact on the COGIC community and the Church community as well.

      • January 11, 2015 at 9:00 pm

        WarrenMA, this is so good I want to make it a stand alone post. Seriously.

  12. November 20, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    one more thing: If Bishop Porter doesn’t give the mic to bowtie boy.. this all becomes a non issue…..
    just sayn…

  13. November 21, 2014 at 7:02 pm

    Joshua 1:7-9
    Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest.
    This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
    Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.

    I just read this a few minutes ago. I wanted to share because, it tells us we MUST be STRONG and of Good Courage (Very Courageous), in order to carry out the Will of God. If we do, he will make us prosperous and successful. We don’t have to depend on men and go by their “wrong” ways/rules.
    God is our ruler. He said for us not to be afraid.. Some people are afraid of what others will think and do so they bow instead of STANDING for what is indeed right.
    God bless the Pastor that was bold enough to tell the truth! Sometimes, you have to stand alone, but Beloved, Please STAND…. (God is with you!)

    “The best sermons are lived, not preached.”
    -Cowboy Wisdom

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  14. December 3, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Cry loud and spare not…………..show my people their transgression

  15. January 11, 2015 at 4:43 am

    As sad as this is, it is not surprising to me. The black community and church, in general, has really lost its way. From supporting the current President Obama who has pushed for gay marriage, to the financial abuse and cheap prosperity gospel messages happening in many black pulpits there are many things I think the black church in the USA will have to give an account for. COGIC Presiding Bishop Blake is only one example.

  16. February 5, 2015 at 3:47 pm

    I heard a Baptist preacher say, “There was a time when you saw the word COGIC on the sign and you knew what was in the church. Now you have to get out the car and go in to find out”. As archaic , as unPC, or as unpopular as it may appear, Holiness is still right! I trust that our leaders will lead the way in getting the Church back on track.

  17. March 10, 2015 at 12:40 am

    We most stand for holiness at all times. I am very disappointed in the presiding Bishop ce Blake for not standing with the truth…………….. Preach Carter!!!!!!!!!!!!

  18. April 19, 2015 at 1:40 am

    For those of you saying many souls were saved that night including the controversial gay boy on the mic don’t know Jesus or the Holy Ghost. There is a new Youtube video of the gay boy Caldwell cussing away saying he didn’t get saved that night and saying he is still gay. It was a joke that night, and it brought negative attention to an already hypocrite church. You guys let pastors molest daughters, let homosexuals on the General Board (Hubbard) when the leadership of Patterson and Ford knew he was gay. But that’s old time COGIC for you spiritually blind folks. You guys want the COGIC to go back to holiness while not knowing what holiness means. Bishop Blake was right to correct that nonsense Carter was saying. Jesus would never wish for men to bleed out their butts, and you hypocrites that approve of that mess should be ashame to be called Christian.

  19. Michael Galloway
    January 7, 2016 at 7:22 am

    Elder Michael N Galloway from Dallas, TX
    God bless Pastor Earl Carter for having the courage to preach the unadulterated Word of God. Does Blake rule the church alone? Where is the executive board of Bishops, why are they silent on this matter. Bishop Blake is not on God’s side or the side of Holiness!

  20. April 9, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    Blessing and cursing out not to come out of the same mouth dr. Carter was wrong to curse even the gay there may be one to get saved even though if they continue in their sin they will be damn we do not have the authority to curse anybody yet to warn everyone the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life throughout of Jesus in preaching the truth you do not curse anyone for blessing and cursing or not to come out of the same mouth God bless

  21. ikesquared
    August 23, 2016 at 1:17 am

    Carter’s sermon was abasive yet needed. As for Caldwell, he lost his fight with his flesh and tongue.
    As for Blake, he has paid off numerous cases where he molested minors just as Edith Long did.
    Lastly, Blake did not follow the rules or protocol for handling elders of COGIC. That tells me Vlake had something to hide up to and including embezzling church funds.
    Either way you take it, it’s a sad day in the COGIC ministry.

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