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A letter to Report COGIC Abuse

“In my 49 years of service to the COGIC, I’ve never felt so used after giving my talent to the Emanuel COGIC in Seaside California, during my youth while yet serving in the U.S Army. For years, I spent more than 12 hours on the organ with no compensation.

Afterwards the church decided to build a new facility and pay it off within half of the time. Then once I got fed up, I decided enough was enough and left. The church immediately hired a musician for an outrageous fee. Not all abuse is sexual. There are COGIC churches that spend funds on what they feel is right, with no input of the general church. Members give their tithes and offerings to the church, but when a person who gives his whole life to the church, especially in labor of ministry, but then at the same time the church allows homosexuals to assist pastors to lead the general body.  It was time for me and my family to leave. My father is a pastor and suggested that I actually sue the church.”

RH
Seaside, CA

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  1. August 28, 2011 at 3:12 am

    Sue, for what?

  2. December 14, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    I do understand the issue, but at the same token, I am with ahemahem. Sue for what? If you love God as much as you do,then what you do for him should be just that. I have been playing without pay for years, because that’s what was needed to be done. If you been in Church for over 49 years, then you should know that ministry aint about you, and you should also know your reward is in heaven. No disrespect to the Dad but my Dad is a pastor too, and he would never give me advice to sue the church, especially on something you shouldn’t be doing just to get paid. Where’s the Love for God? Where’s the love for music? People are so interested in get rich quick schemes they’ll do anything. Know Jesus and remember whose you are. Read and believe the Word, God takes care of his people, HIS people. So sorry you feel abused, people of God really need to stop being so sensitive.

    • December 14, 2011 at 3:50 pm

      You dont understand the issue. The bible says not to defraud your brother.
      –Do not defraud your neighbor or rob him. “‘Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Lev 19:13
      –Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 1 Cor 6:7-8

      Suing another brother is said to be an utter failure. Why because those in leadership have forced the situation by being unjust.

      You are pigeonholing the issue as “get rich quick scheme”. Thats contributing to the injustice by minimizing his 49 years of faithful service. If this brother shouldnt expect reasonable compensation for his years of faithful service (especially when they HIRE someone else after him who demands a high price) then Bishop Blake shouldnt be paid $500,000 dollars a year and every church employee in COGIC should immediately have their salaries discontinued because like you said “its for the Lord”.

      Let that happen and see how many lawsuits would be launched. Study, read and rightly apply the Word.

      • December 14, 2011 at 5:54 pm

        Ok, point taken. But Bishop Blake rather you like him or not, schedule with COGIC is hectic, it consumes him, being a musician for a local church, you don’t have to play fly somewhere else within the hour and play again. You can cut your organ off, you can’t turn off being a Bishop. In that case you be getting paid just to shed. That’ll cause problems too. I don’t see ministers getting paid a salary to do what they do on church, and some of them do the same roles as Pastors. My point being, if you do what you do for God he will take care of you. Not always financially. God has opened many doors for me, just by being humble not looking for compensation for everything. Should a musician be paid, sure, but I feel they should also be content. What goes unrewarded by man if done in righteousness will be rewarded by God. Also thanks for the scriptures, but I heard those exact same scriptures used in a prosperity ministry when the preacher was trying to beat everyone out of there money, so please forgive me if I don’t jump. I do agree that you will have some problems if you cut some salaries but at least you will know who’s real for Christ and who’s not. And coming from your aspect of things, I shouldn’t preach the Gospel because I am not getting paid? So it isn’t because of the call on my life? God has been too good to me to do what I do and charge. If you had a street ministry who pays your salary then? I am just saying Where is God appreciated?

        • December 14, 2011 at 6:00 pm

          This issue is justice without respect of persons. The scriptures said not to defraud your brother (or neighbor) for that matter. If someone performs a service you should reasonably compensate them if they ask for it. This was defrauding and to add salt to the man’s wound, they hired another musician and PAID HIM AN OUTRAGEOUS FEE. Why couldnt they give this faithful musician who had been with the church 49 years some compensation? If we are going to have respect of persons in regards to who gets justice and who doesnt, then thats not of God.

          • December 14, 2011 at 6:12 pm

            Agreed. But along with scripture, there’s one that says vegence is mine says the Lord, I will repay. Child of God, why do we believe in some of the scriptures and not all. If these so called Christian leaders, mistreated this poor soul, then God will take care of them. Alll they have to do is wait, and turn around time nowadays isn’t long at all. I just don’t agree with the idea of suing the church because they paid someone else after you left and they didn’t pay you. I am not a fan of suing the church, agreed, but I guess it’s what you have to deal with when you fill out the 501c3 huh?

          • December 14, 2011 at 8:59 pm

            Yes sir, and youre right vengeance [def: infliction of injury, harm, humiliation, or the like, on a person by another who has been harmed by that person; violent revenge] is God’s alone. In this case, filing a lawsuit (which the musician didnt do) is simply seeking legitimate justice. He couldnt sue because he didnt have a contract. I think mostly he just wanted to voice his frustration and most likely has “moved on”. In most COGIC churches you are expected to serve with your gift and never be compensated ala a contract. But still we should rise to a greater level of honor and not use people for 49 years and then just kick them to the curb.

            Im not sure about the 501c3 being a factor but it does present some serious ethical issues for the church. Thank you and Ive enjoyed this exchange with you brother.

          • December 14, 2011 at 10:13 pm

            It is very good to speak with someone with an opinion other than just COGIC doctrine, I love to speak of the Bible and you, Brother, were a blessing to me today. I have been so hurt because the people of God has lost focus. We know not to depend on man, yet we still treat them as if they can’t fall. I know the musician didn’t sue, like you said he could not because, no contract, but he has to realize how much of a blessing he actually was because people seen dedication that today is not found, God has to get the glory in what we do, not us. Although it does feel good, but man can only do so much. As far as the 501c3 well, that’s another story we will have talk about. we should have kept church and state separated like it started when the Declaration of Independence was written. Look forward to hearing from you again and talking with you some more. We know the problems but what are the solutions? God bless you and may he continue to keep you is my prayer.

  3. December 14, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    A lot of our forbears gave a lot for no money at all. It’s like starting a business–people sacrifice, some actually pay the business to stay afloat.

    Who knows how many pastors would love to pay, or pay more, to some people who are volunteers.

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